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Before you read further, there's a new version of the tab faq (sloan) which
I'm mailing to the ftp guy.. If you want it sooner or don't have ftp access,
e-mail me, and I'll get one to ya. Also, I forget where I saw it but I saw
this one picture of Jay ferguson
talking on a telephone awhile back, and the murderecords symbol above him had
"sloan" instead of "m's" or crows or whatever, Come to think of it, it was in
"in the meantime" (very good). where was this pic taken from?
Here's my collection of unftpized sloan article dealies,
I dunno how to upload when viewing ftp thru www, so upload 'em if you can,
All that I ask is that you please try and figure out a way to get ris of that
annoying forward header crap.. Tho I could be ignorant and that's neccesary
upon uploading. Ah, I am stupid. Here they are.
Snatched from the september 1994 issue of Chart magazine, written by Paul
They were the ones who put Halifax on the musical map and became
Canada's hip alternative grunge representatives in the post-Nirvana age.
They signed a six album deal to the multinational David Geffen Company (DGC)
after being together for less than a year and having played just a handful
of gigs outside their hometown. When I wrote about them over two years ago
in these pages (July 1992 issue which I don't have), they were just being
touted as the next big thing.
Well, they survived the kiss of death, and lived to put out album
number two, and, by the sound of it, their integrity survived, too: _Twice
Removed_ is not _Smeared_ II. The guitars have been turned down, and the
band members have all gone off and written their own songs, lending four
individual voices to the album. The result is a varied collection that
explores the pop continuum from all angles. According to Sloan, whom I
interviewd recently in Toronto, the record company had little say in how
_Twice Removed_ turned out.
"I think they were surprized that the record didn't turn out to be a
more logical continuation from _Smeared_." says guitarist, Patrick Pentland.
"There wasn't any pressure, like someone calling and saying 'Hey! Turn up
the guitars!'. But I'd be lying to say that they wern't surprized by what
came out in the end. We tried to keep as much control over things as
possible. I wouldn't say that not recording in L.A. was a conscious
decision to stay away from the label, but if we'd been in L.A. there would
have been people from the label coming down all the time, and that would've
been a bit of a drag."
So the bubble burst and grunge got bleached out of "Bubblegrunge".
Instead of "The Archies" writ loud, which, let's face it, is what some of
_Smeared_ sounded like, we have twelve songs of pure, grown-up, capital-P
Pop; a smart move in a musical era of volume saturation on one hand and "The
studied innocence" of current American indie-pop on the other. "In a way,
the record is a bit reactionary", acknnowledges Patrick. "It's nice to do
On _Twice Removed_, the melodic sugar-coatings hide the bitter pill
of experience. Says Patrick: "I think a lot of the songs on the record are
a result of two and a half years of touring, where you kind of wake up, and
realize that you're not always happy; you're generally more depressed or
whatever. I think it's more realistic in terms of reflecting the kind of
people that we are... Because we all write differently, and we wanted to
incorperate the fact that we've all got different styles. To try to direct
it to a grunge sound, or this sound, or that sound, is doubly impossible,
because somebody in the band wouldn't want to do that with their song. It
was a much more satisfying experience for me to record this record than the
last one, because we all got control of our own songs."
The band cringes when I mention their previous marketing image.
Explains Patrick: "I think in our bio there was something about bubblegum...
wait, no it was in those ads: bubblegum sugar-fix-coated-whatever." "One of
those things that we have no control over," explains bassist/vocalist Chris
Murphy. He illustrates in a Monster truck rally voice: "A screeching fix of
sugary guitar poop! You won't be underwhelmed! Buy their new album...
[laughs]". Continues Jay Ferguson: "I'm tired of the whole really sugary,
cuddly, innocent thing." Chimes in drummer, Andrew Scott: "Yeah, I really
hate that whole cute label we've been hit with."
We're dealing with a slightly older, but much wiser Sloan. It shows
in their demeanor. They have that cool, "Been there/done that" manner
characteristic of many musicians who've achieved reasonable success working
for the man. Their rock-star air even got me a little nervous and excited,
like some gushing fan club member. These aren't the bright-eyed kids I saw
when I interviewed Jay and Andrew two years ago on the eve of signing big.
Back then, the question on everybody's minds was: "Are these guys making the
"Maybe it happened a bit fast, but I don't think it hurt us," says
the self-assured Andrew. "We made a lot of mistakes, but we've learned a
lot, too, just through touring and meeting a bunch of different bands and
talking to them about their labels or whatever, and we have our own record
label [Murderecords], too, which we're running."
Murderecords is Sloan's insurance policy. Like good entrepreneurs,
the band is reinvesting their knowledge and money into something that they
can control and build on their own. So far, the label's roster includes
Hardship Post, Eric's Trip, Thrush Hermit, and Al Tuck, among others.
According to Chris, because of Murder, the band can see the angle
from both sides of the fence: "I empathize with Geffen sometimes, because
they're hanging their money out the window, and they want to know what we're
up to, and we're reluctant to do things for their sake. Having our own
label isn't just for that, though. I think it makes us more fair. In
Halifax and the East Coast, our manager has a good understanding of legal
language, and some record labels have been down to talk to other bands, like
Thrush Hermit, Eric's Trip, Hardship Post, and Jale. I don't think any of
them are going to get ripped off, because we have enough reources in the
legal department. Our manager's the only person who really understands all
that contractual crap; otherwise a lot of us would be in trouble."
If anything, Murder leaves them with jobs should Geffen decide not to
renew Sloan's contract. The band hopes there's a mass market for the
intelligent, effusive pop of _Twice Removed_, but if there isn't, the band
doesn't seem too worried. Explains Chris: "This could be the last Geffen
record if either they don't like it, or it doesn't sell well, which..."
"Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if we weren't on Geffen because we
now have the resources to put out our own records," says Andrew, finishing
off his sentance.
Continues Chris: "That's one of the reasons for Murder. We could
make twice as much money putting out records ourselves. You only have to
sell about an eigth as many. We're pretty happy with Geffen, they've been
really good to us, but we also don't really have any fear of the future.
We'd be fine by ourselves."
The idea here isn't to express pessimism regarding the band's
prospects on a major label, but to show that their dedication to music is
founded upon more than a big advance. Sloan's hearts are still in their
job. Let's cheer them through phase two.
Subj: chris&patrick live on muchmusic
Date: 95-08-04 15:02:02 EDT
From: JRCOVEY\!/ac.dal.ca (James R. Covey)
To: jrcovey+sloan\!/ac.dal.ca (Sloan Net)
Q: why do muchmusic call themselves an
A: because the "alternative" music they play is
neither "rare" nor "well done".
anyways, once in a while they *do* play sloan and
other east coast bands. yesterday on much, jale
were on the wedge but i forgot to tape it,
unfortunately. however, i *did* manage to get the
sloan interview on tape. this was how it went.
master T and chris and patrick were sitting in
front of the big windows so you could see fans out
on the street looking in.
T: hey! we're back! and we have some sloan fans
out there. how ya all doin', can ya hear us out
there? [cheers and girls screaming] yeah, i
think so, great -- they're very excited. *laughs*
[chris and patrick laugh too.] all right, so
you're here, you're in the house.
C: that's right.
T: we were talking earlier, and you guys were
talking about the fact that you guys got offered
to open up for bon jovi.
C: that's right, we got offered to play with old
bon jovi, but we couldn't pull through. as a
matter of fact, we had an argument about it. you
might think that we might flat out, refuse or
whatever, [patrick grins] but i guess money was an
issue, but definitely there was a hilarity aspect
to it, like...
P: there was also, oh sorry, go ahead...
C: well maybe, showing up in wigs or whatever.
but the end is nigh, perhaps, with us and we don't
want to just blow it at the last minute.
P: we just a played a show in halifax, two shows,
like, last weekend, and we're not even going to be
in halifax for that show. we're going to be here.
C: we would have had to blow off those shows in
T: were the bon jovi people like, look, we are the
bon jovi camp. we are *bon jovi*.
C: i guess there was a certain amount of snub
factor because he was so big. i guess he's still
big, eh? probably sells a lot of...
P: i'm sure *he* doesn't know anything about it...
C: of course.
P: but um, but there was a feeling that we were sort
of trying to be "too cool for school."
C: the fight was because patrick's a big richie
sanbora fan, and was dying to... he had this plan
to break a string, and like "richie, i need your
guitar" because he loves his leopard-pattern b.c.
rich guitar, patrick's a big fan of that. so
patrick was definitely into the idea of doing it,
but it didn't happen.
T: all right, let's get to it. we've said hello.
we've had some small talk. i've been reading the
papers. you know what i'm going to ask you. is it
true that saturday at edgefest...
C: it's true that saturday is the All-East-Coast
Music Day on muchmusic, [T laughs] and we're
looking forward to it, i think we're going to...
oh, um, i'm sorry [pretends to catch himself] i
know what you're saying now. is it going to be
the last show?
T: is it true that it's going to be your last
show, sloan is history, you guys are not going to
do anything else...
P: well, we're playing a show the next day in
T: ok, so buffalo could be your last show...
P: could be, but, i don't know, it's certainly
going to be our last show for a long time, and
maybe forever or maybe for... i don't know, you
[as he says this we see a girl at the window
holding a sign to the pane that says: SLOAN we'll
C: i've used this example before, but you know how
roger daltrey is singing the music of pete
townsend featuring jon entwhistle. we're going to
try to set up something similar to that, i don't
know if i'm going to be involved, but it'll be
patrick or andrew playing the music of chris
murphy featuring jay ferguson.
T: so sloan's not totally over.
C: well... see, we were sort of saying this
T: i know you guys weren't necessarily happy with
the way geffen really treated your...
C: if you believe what you read, tony. [patrick
T: some of it i believe, but others i don't...
C: actually, you know what, as far as major labels
go, geffen is *awesome*. but we're so small
compared to some of the other acts...
P: but that wouldn't have necessarily the main
reason why... our unhappiness with the way our last
record did isn't really a big factor in why we
want to take a... hiatus.
T: so why do you want to take a hiatus?
C: well, i don't know.
T: yeah? just tell me, come on. we're here,
nobody's listening, so just go ahead, just tell
P: we hate each other. [grins at chris]
C: we do awesome at radio, we're huge all over the
radio, but we can't get on the t.v., they just
won't play us on t.v., i think there's a vendetta...
P: we can't get *any* video play.
C: there's a vendetta against us, and everytime
they go to play our video [as he says this he gets
up, looking into the camera, and strolls like a
lecturing professor, gesturing with his right
hand] it becomes
T: you're not going to hit me are you?
C: there's this where i find... this is a very
torontocentric sort of world, in canada here...
P: [off camera] are you trying to get a job?
C: and it's a double-edged sword, because we sell
lots of records here, but anyway... [T interrupts
and says something unintelligible] the videos,
yeah, we need them played, basically we need
T: i'll get right on it!
C: this all-east-coast saturday, i think, is gonna
be the deciding point.
T: there's actually some, not necessarily
controversy about that, but there's actually talk
about that, that there are a few east coast things
happening... not necessarily more east coast...
P: at the edgefest?
T: yeah, the edgefest.
C: there's controversy?
T: well, not controversy. it's something i read.
and don't believe everything i read. you already
told me that...
C: if i could teach you one thing today... [waves
his forefinger and pinky at T]
T: T... [laughs] [patrick grins]
C: T, Don't Believe Everything You Read.
T: ok [laugh] thanks, baby.
C: and also, quit smoking. [looks at the camera
and smiles] [lots of people laugh]
[camera goes to the crowd again, T gives them
encouragement and they cheer.]
C: about this controversy, i don't know, it's
good for us, all of our friends are going to be
there, basically, almost without exception. our
friends Hip Club Groove are grueling on tour
somewhere, i don't where, so they won't be
there... i don't know if i'm answering your
questions, i'm sorry, i'm showing off [T laughs]
and uh, trying to figure out which camera's on me
so i can pander to it. [patrick points it out]
T: they're both on now.
C: um. [the camera zooms in on his face.]
T: go ahead...
P: oh zoom really far, you're liking this aren't
C: yeah. [the camera zooms in on his right eye,
his left eye, then his mouth.] you might ask, why
am i on tv today and not jay?
T: i think we have to leave, unfortunately.
C: i think, you know, even though i might not have
answered all of your questions, but you're my
T: you're not just saying that are you?
C: there's a controvery in halifax about who's the
coolest VJ too. and we argued and you're my
favorite because one time, i forget who it was,
they were trying to explain something about old
school, and you were asking "like who? like chaka
khan?" and the person was just totally like...
i don't know who you're talking about...
C: i forget who it was, some idiot, but we decided
not to open for them i think, in the end...
T: [laughs] so we're going to play a video,
"people of the sky".
C: "people of the sky", that's a good one.
T: yeah, i like that one.
C: it is Very Funny. andrew, is normally the
drummer, and he sings this, and he shines in this
video. he's a Good Lookin' Boy.
T: edgefest, this saturday, molson amphitheatre, a
whole bunch of bands, don't wanna miss it,
sloan'll be there, thanks a lot guys.
C: that's right. you're going to be there right?
T: i'll be up front.
C: in the house, definitely in the house.
T: T's out of here [makes a peace sign], see ya,
thanks very much. [grins at the camera, the shot
fades to the opening of "people of the sky".]
for those of you who haven't figured it out
by now, brendan's post about the "new sloan album"
and subsequent posts by various smartasses, it's
all a *joke*!! there's no new sloan album.
however, the following is actually for real --
back at pop explosion time i invited questions
for andrew scott from sloan net, and promised
to post the answers. apologies to carol --
i didn't get the answers to your questions on
tape thanks to a minor technical difficulty.
but i'll email you seperately with my best
attempt at remembering his answers... which
probably won't be any good for your zine...
From: "John" <o316\!/unb.ca>
I have a question. who IS Andrew Scott?
AS: Andrew Scott is a 27-year-old man. I'm not a kid anymore,
I'm not a teenager. I never tried to think that I was. And
I'm just a guy struggling day to day to live my life the best
way I can. And goddammit, it's hard.
[JC: Andrew Scott is the drummer for Sloan and a founding member
of the Maker's Mark. That is all ye ever need know. :-) ]
From: Brendan Ryan <ae598\!/ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Well the one thing I have often wondered about him is..
Does he realize that he has the reputation of being
almost unaproachable? and is this something that he
perpetuates so people won't hang off of him like they
do Chris and Jay?
AS: I'll tell you, that reputation is the direct result of Chris Murphy.
He's never taken one step back from promoting me as this ultracool,
ultra-unapproachable "Fonz" character. But Chris' interpretation of me
is quite warped through his own interpretation of himself. God love
Chris Murphy. I love Chris, you know, I've known him for years, but he
has an incredible talent for trying to deflect a lot of stuff of himself
onto other people. Not necessarily maliciously, but it's just the way
he is. Maybe I am unapproachable. I don't know, I've never gotten mad
at anybody for coming up and talking to me. But, you know, I'm not really
one to go looking for people who listen to the band I'm in to come and
talk to me. Like if you want to come and talk to me, that's up to you.
If you think i'm unapproachable, then take your chances or don't take your
chances. But, don't believe everything you hear. I'm actually quite a
From: Whiz_Kid\!/tvo.org (D'Arcy Flueck)
as to questions for andrew scott, you can ask him why he's so
dogmatic, why he always runs away and stuff. (i guess that's mean),
but you could ask him if he likes his fans? and you could ask him
why he thinks sloan is in the hearts of every kid (and big kid) in
canada? if he has a big theory (like they've put special subliminal
messages hidden in their music or something ;))
AS: I don't even know what dogmatic means. Holding on to some kind of
ultra-truth or something?
JC: Really insistent on your own opinions.
AS: Yeah, I'm very opinionated. And I'm not swayed if I offend
anybody. If you want to hear my opinion I'm going to say what I feel.
I think everybody should say what they feel. But you've got to back up
what you say. And I'll do my damnedest to back up whatever I say. I
guess I am dogmatic, yeah. (I love dogs!)
I have no idea why we're so popular with Canadian kids, as opposed to
Chinese kids or Russian kids. Maybe it's because we're from Canada, and
Canada in a larger sense has always held onto its own. Not that we've
ever tried to portray ourselves as this flagship for Canadian music in
any sense, because to a large degree I've always been quite disappointed
with a lot of Canadian music and how it's promoted and how it's made and
how it's chosen to be put out over a lot of other things. But hopefully,
since the time we've started releasing records in Canada, I think a hell
of a lot has changed in terms of where people look for music. And now
it's to a point where Canada doesn't have to settle for the Tom Cochranes
or the Alannah Myles, who is a complete egotistical terrible artist. I
cannot understand Alannah Myles whatsoever. That article about her in the
Globe and Mail... It was like a half-page article of her just talking
about how good she is. It was gag-inducing. I guess Canadian kids have
good taste. I hope. If that means we're any good.
From: Katrina Grentz <ab329\!/ccn.cs.dal.ca>
I have a question for andrew scott...i challenge you to ask
him what he was like in high school b/c *i know* & have yearbook
pics to prove it (he was kind of a preppy)...
AS: *Incredibly* preppy. I'm already leaning back towards the preppy
look. I think preppy is good and everybody should embrace it. I was
kind of a preppy jock punk metal guy. I always had such a giant
identity crisis in high school. I didn't know what I'd do. I hung
around with all the black dudes that played basketball. I played
basketball, but I drove a skateboard and listened to really bad hardcore
records in high school. So I didn't know who I was. But I wore
Lacoste, not Ralph Lauren.
From: "Bowers, Randy" <RBOWERS\!/ewi.usa.com>
We've all seen you wear the t-shirt, so what's the connection with
Teenage Fanclub? Are you just a "fan" of their musical style, or is
there a particular song, circumstance, or group member that you
A: No, Teenage Fanclub don't really fall in my supply of bands that I
really listen to or revere or whatever. I mean, I like Teenage Fanclub
but I don't really know why I wore that T-shirt. It may have been the
only one I had that day because we were in the middle of a tour when we
shot that video ["Underwhelmed"], but I thought it was a nice T-shirt.
I'm a sucker for targets. Jasper Johns, late-sixties, early-seventies
American painter, did some pretty nice target paintings. I'm neither
here nor there with Teenage Fanclub. I think they're good, but I don't
listen to them very much.
Subj: more chris \!/ ECMAs.
Date: 96-02-12 08:39:30 EST
From: JRCOVEY\!/ac.dal.ca (James R. Covey)
To: jrcovey+sloan\!/ac.dal.ca (Sloan Net)
chris murphy also presented the award for
"best children's recording" with linda brooks.
chris: "hi there. first of all, i'd like to
present a mini-award, it's for best babe of
the night and the winner is you, and uh..."
(he hands the ECMA to linda.)
linda: "wow!" (appropriate giggles, etc.)
chris: "actually, i'm really glad to be
presenting the children's artist award
because, uh, our band sloan, our mandate,
one of our mandates was to play all-ages
shows, and the all-ages thing ranges from,
it's parker brothers all-ages which is 8 to
88, and i think children fall into that
linda, still looking at the ECMA and chris:
"i'd be interested in knowing who else was
nominated in this category by the way."
chris: "actually, i have..." (reaches for
his chest pocket)
linda: "never mind."
chris murphy's "a band by any other name" halifax music scene family tree
SURVIVORS ATTACK STEPS AROUND
SUBURBAN | | | THE HOUSE
REBELS REALISTS | |
| | | MEDIA VULGARIANS VACANT
CLUB THE SPENT SHAG DOGFOOD BLITZ DUFF HICKS | LOT |
MED FLIES | | | OCTOBER |
| | | DELUXE KILLER KARMA STAJATANZ GAME TOPSIDERS
| BLACKPOOL | BOYS KLAMZ WOLVES | | | | |
| | | | | AGRO FLAGS FOR RIDGE OF TEDD
| REGISTERED | KEARNEY 100 EVERYTHING TEARS
| VOTE | LAKE RD FLOWERS | | | |
| | | | | | | SUSPECT DEVICE | BUBAISKULL | |
| | BLACKPOOL II | | | | | | | MISERY
| | | | | 100 FLOWERS II SEBAS- COOL | GOATS
| LONE STARS | | | TOPOL BLUE THRUSH | |
| | | | | CONVULSIONS | HALO HERMIT | FALSE
| BLUEGRASS BLACK| | | ALL GOOD | | |
| LAWNMOWER POOL | | HAPPY CO. CHILDREN THRUSH HERMIT II | |
| | III | | | | | | HIP
AL TUCK & SLOAN<-----------NO DAMN FEARS ESSEN | CLUB
NO ACTION RHINO | | GROOVE |
| PLASTY HOUSE OF USHER T A G | |
| | | | | ONE INCH
SUPERFRIENDZ ADINSONG JALE CHAZ RULES PUNCH
| | | |
INFINITE LOOP SPIKE N SKREECH LEONARD CONAN
I had to leave out one band -- Jellyfishbabies -- in order to fit all
the rest on the computer screen. Chris has them located right next door
to "Registered Vote" but not connected to anyone else. His note reads:
"Chris Murphy's my name and I'm taking credit or blame for this Halifax
music scene family tree. The tree itself was actually more twisted than
this so I ended up eliminating some lines as it was getting too messy and
hard to follow. I didn't put every band I could think of either because I
couldn't connect them to anyone else or I didn't like the band. But the
lines I did draw I think are true. I was relying on others near the top
in the 'before my time' section. Sue me if I'm wrong."
He also writes a list of "Honourable Mentions": Null Set, Redd Leader,
The Nerve, Next X, The Quirk, Cooter Family, Roland Blinn, Basic English,
Phycus, Aimless, Donner Party Reunion, Merge, Tetris