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Re: Fat Mike VS Sloan; Music and Politics.
- Subject: Re: Fat Mike VS Sloan; Music and Politics.
- From: kclair\!/sas.upenn.edu (Kristina Clair)
- Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 21:20:52 -0500 (EST)
- Posted-date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 21:20:53 -0500 (EST)
PLEASE NOTE: these are only my opinions - I did not write them with any
intent of converting any one to agree with me (I've been flamed too
> Okay..let's look at the legitimate underpinnings of this debate. In
> theory, Punks hate Hippies and Popsters for creating 'irrelevant' music...
> music that does nothing but exsist and please and sell; the aesthetics of
> beauty are somewhat despised and negated by punk doctrine. So, (although I
only to be replaced by another doctrine of aesthetics (they have some
standard of judgement). Just because a standard of taste doesn't
coincide with what is traditionally considered beautiful or pleasing
doesn't mean that it isn't aesthetic.
> disagree with it) Fat Mike's dislike of Sloan/Pavement is logical to
> extract from general principles. However... If Fat Mike were accusing
> Sloan/Pavement of not being about anything, not discussing explcicitly the
> political realities of life in this part of the century, I'd have to say
> he's right.
sometimes I think that one of the greatest things about some bands is a
purity (or something to that effect) - I can listen to them for the
experience of the music alone without being hit over the head with
someone's political opinions.
> "Coax me" and "Left of Center" talk about cultural/social issues,
> sure, but obliquely and at a distance. And as Robert Christagau notes in
> this years Pazz and Jop poll, this is a time when we need more direction,
> assistance, awarness, and effort from the musical community in opposition
hmmm...I don't know....for bands to get involved with politics, etc.
doesn't necessarily provide direction that would be favorable in my
opinion. I think all it might to is propogate politics and superficiality.
what exactly does he mean by "the prevailing cold winds of class struggle
and conflict" and how could a band help that? I see a lot of integrity
possible in music, and I think getting involved in politics takes away
> to the prevailing cold winds of class struggle and conflict-and it isn't
> there. In fact, music seems to be withdrawing from the realm of political
> comment- giving up. (And it especially isn't on the nre NOFX album, or at
> least not that much...Sorry, Mikey.)
> I joke that there are only three bands in America that actually
> believe in anything, Spearhead, Fugazi, and Bad Religion....and I can't
> think of a Canadian band who believes in anything, or articulates it. Maybe
> Fifth Column- Julia Propeller do now and then....... The Rheostatics,
> sporadically. (Spirit of The West used to believe in something...now they
> sing travelogues.)
everyone believes in something, it just may not be important to you (the
> Anyone else feel dissapointed ? Anyone think I'm totally wrong ?
I feel disappointed when it seems to me that bands are formed solely to
express political opinions and such.
I feel disappointed that there is the necessary evil of bands having to
be involved in the politics of big business as far as record distribution
> I like NOFX,
> I like Sloan,
> I think too much at home, alone.